This seems like a pretty fair idea. I think it is important to not short
the people racing in areas where there are not as many riders. More riders
does not always mean a more competitive race. I may have only raced for
three years now, but some of the smaller fields I have raced in have been
the most competitive. People living in other areas of Oregon (than Portland
Metro) should not face discrimination because of smaller fields. They may
be very committed to racing, but not able to come race in the
Portland/Willamette valley area as easily as us Portlandites. Ron's idea
seems to me to keep it pretty close.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Frerichs"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals

> Bottom-up is OK. But still, as long as you've got 15 riders, you get full
> points. What about using different points scales based on
> participation...bigger fields=more points:
>
> 60+ Riders 35-59 Riders 34 or less
> Place (100%) (90%) (80%)
> 1st 30 27 24
> 2nd 25 23 20
> 3rd 22 20 18
> 4th 19 18 16
> 5th 17 16 14
> 6th 15 14 12
> 7th 13 12 11
> 8th 11 10 9
> 9th 9 9 8
> 10th 7 7 6
> 11th 5 5 5
> 12th 4 4 4
> 13th 3 3 3
> 14th 2 2 2
> 15th 1 1 1
>
> Here, every race pays points 15 deep, but the bigger the field, the bigger
> the points for a top 10 finish. Of course, that's just one stab at it,
> and
> those numbers could be tweaked.
>
> I support efforts to help promoters give us bigger and better races. But
> that shouldn't be the focus here. The BAR system should be a fair measure
> of the Best All-around Rider. It shouldn't be manipulated based on what
> benefits the promoters. That's my 2¢ (not on the keyboard...but type
> ALT+0162).
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From: Jay Rideout
> To: Rick Johnson
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:40:16 -0800 (PST)
>
> Agreed, three in a class, and you'd better find some friends : ) But I'm
> in the shrinking 55+ world. Oh well.
>
> I'm thinking in terms of the promoter and the people that make the effort
> to
> be involved in some of the lower draw events. By distributing the range
> of
> points over the participating (finishing) field it maintains the full
> points
> value of a first place. With a bottom up points award I think you'd lose
> some incentive for participation and sponsership because there are no high
> end points. A top to bottom points distribution spread over a less then
> 15 group of finishers helps maintain the attraction of the event for
> racers,
> sponsers, and promoters.
>
> Just my $0.02 . (Geeze there's no "cent" symbol on the keyboard...
> inflation)
> Jay
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: Jay Rideout
> Cc: comotionclassic@comcast.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:03:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
> I think that proposal winds up being completely arbitrary in practice. You
> could have three fast people in a legitimate close race, three sightseers
> dawdling or any combination thereof. How does this idea fairly reward the
> former while encouraging the latter?
>
> If you really want to tip the scales in favor of encouragement and reward
> how about a "bottom up" point structure. Start at 1 point for the last
> finisher and count up by one for every finisher.
> Only three people in that class? Then they should have got some friends to
> come out and fill the field.
> Somebody else did well against a field of 100? To the victor goes the
> spoils!
>
> Just a thought...
> Rick
>
> Jay Rideout wrote:
> BAR Points: With fewer then fifteen finishers I propose that the points
> be
> distributed so that the 1st place finisher would receive 30 points and the
> last place finisher would receive 1 point and the other finishers would be
> distributed based on the number of finishers: examples
> 3 finishers 1st: 30 pts, 2nd: 15 pts, and 3rd: 1 pt.
>
> If the finishers doen't evenly match up to the points distribution, just
> round up a point.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "comotionclassic@comcast.net"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:15:07 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
>
> Discussion topics:
> -Junior gear restrictions
> -Two OBRA events at the same location
> -Lifetime OBRA memberships $500? or $1000 family?
>
> Proposed rules:
> -Change upgrade requirements for women from Cat 3 to 2. Decrease number
> of
> riders needed to be present from 20 to 15. (Reason - many women can't
> upgrade because there are not enough races with enough women) (Negative -
> it
> would negate our reciprocity agreement with other governing bodies)
>
> -No article of clothing may be worn that serves solely an aerodynamic
> purpose. (Reason - keep unfair advantages out of competition) (Negative -
> hard to interpret and enforce)
>
> -Change in BAR points system. All OBRA sanctioned races and fields would
> receive BAR points regardless of size. BAR points would be awarded from
> the
> bottom up, starting at the 15th finisher (or last finisher if there are
> fewer than 15 finishers) and progressing up to the 1st place finisher as
> follows: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 22, 25, 30. (Reason -
> make points more accessible at small events) (Negative - makes points mean
> less. For example, rider 1 could get the same amount of points racing
> with
> 3 people, that rider 2 could get racing against 100 people)
>
> Sal Collura
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
>
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