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Speaking as someone that gets a lot of the questions about the BAR, a
lot people do care about it. Yes, only a few may be in contention to
win each category but many like to place well or better than they did
before. Or maybe they just care about it - all I know is that I get
many questions about it.
That being said, my two cents is that I think that there is a lot to
be said for keeping it the same...even if it is only to reduce the
number of questions. Yes, this is for selfish reasons (but also for
unselfish reasons - why confuse people?) There will always be
questions and confusion but change will likely lead to more questions
and confusion (at least in the short term).
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Eric Kytola"
> Date: January 31, 2007 10:52:45 AM PST
> To:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
> How many people actually race for the BAR? A few in each category
> right. Well then maybe those people racing for the BAR will attend
> smaller races. I would perceive that as a good thing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Ron Frerichs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:12 AM
> To: jbrideout@yahoo.com; RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
> Bottom-up is OK. But still, as long as you've got 15 riders, you
> get full
> points. What about using different points scales based on
> participation...bigger fields=more points:
>
> 60+ Riders 35-59 Riders 34 or less
> Place (100%) (90%) (80%)
> 1st 30 27 24
> 2nd 25 23 20
> 3rd 22 20 18
> 4th 19 18 16
> 5th 17 16 14
> 6th 15 14 12
> 7th 13 12 11
> 8th 11 10 9
> 9th 9 9 8
> 10th 7 7 6
> 11th 5 5 5
> 12th 4 4 4
> 13th 3 3 3
> 14th 2 2 2
> 15th 1 1 1
>
> Here, every race pays points 15 deep, but the bigger the field, the
> bigger
> the points for a top 10 finish. Of course, that's just one stab at
> it, and
> those numbers could be tweaked.
>
> I support efforts to help promoters give us bigger and better
> races. But
> that shouldn't be the focus here. The BAR system should be a fair
> measure
> of the Best All-around Rider. It shouldn't be manipulated based on
> what
> benefits the promoters. That's my 2ยข (not on the keyboard...but type
> ALT+0162).
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From: Jay Rideout
> To: Rick Johnson
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:40:16 -0800 (PST)
>
> Agreed, three in a class, and you'd better find some friends : )
> But I'm
> in the shrinking 55+ world. Oh well.
>
> I'm thinking in terms of the promoter and the people that make the
> effort to
> be involved in some of the lower draw events. By distributing the
> range of
> points over the participating (finishing) field it maintains the
> full points
> value of a first place. With a bottom up points award I think
> you'd lose
> some incentive for participation and sponsership because there are
> no high
> end points. A top to bottom points distribution spread over a
> less then
> 15 group of finishers helps maintain the attraction of the event
> for racers,
> sponsers, and promoters.
>
> Just my $0.02 . (Geeze there's no "cent" symbol on the keyboard...
> inflation)
> Jay
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: Jay Rideout
> Cc: comotionclassic@comcast.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:03:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
> I think that proposal winds up being completely arbitrary in
> practice. You
> could have three fast people in a legitimate close race, three
> sightseers
> dawdling or any combination thereof. How does this idea fairly
> reward the
> former while encouraging the latter?
>
> If you really want to tip the scales in favor of encouragement and
> reward
> how about a "bottom up" point structure. Start at 1 point for the last
> finisher and count up by one for every finisher.
> Only three people in that class? Then they should have got some
> friends to
> come out and fill the field.
> Somebody else did well against a field of 100? To the victor goes the
> spoils!
>
> Just a thought...
> Rick
>
> Jay Rideout wrote:
> BAR Points: With fewer then fifteen finishers I propose that the
> points be
> distributed so that the 1st place finisher would receive 30 points
> and the
> last place finisher would receive 1 point and the other finishers
> would be
> distributed based on the number of finishers: examples
> 3 finishers 1st: 30 pts, 2nd: 15 pts, and 3rd: 1 pt.
>
> If the finishers doen't evenly match up to the points distribution,
> just
> round up a point.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "comotionclassic@comcast.net"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:15:07 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Meeting Rules Proposals
>
>
> Discussion topics:
> -Junior gear restrictions
> -Two OBRA events at the same location
> -Lifetime OBRA memberships $500? or $1000 family?
>
> Proposed rules:
> -Change upgrade requirements for women from Cat 3 to 2. Decrease
> number of
> riders needed to be present from 20 to 15. (Reason - many women can't
> upgrade because there are not enough races with enough women)
> (Negative - it
> would negate our reciprocity agreement with other governing bodies)
>
> -No article of clothing may be worn that serves solely an aerodynamic
> purpose. (Reason - keep unfair advantages out of competition)
> (Negative -
> hard to interpret and enforce)
>
> -Change in BAR points system. All OBRA sanctioned races and fields
> would
> receive BAR points regardless of size. BAR points would be awarded
> from the
> bottom up, starting at the 15th finisher (or last finisher if there
> are
> fewer than 15 finishers) and progressing up to the 1st place
> finisher as
> follows: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 22, 25, 30.
> (Reason -
> make points more accessible at small events) (Negative - makes
> points mean
> less. For example, rider 1 could get the same amount of points
> racing with
> 3 people, that rider 2 could get racing against 100 people)
>
> Sal Collura
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
>
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