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I think we should have an algorithym that is so complicted that no one can figure it out. That way we can spend out energies determining who is eligible for a race instead of wasting it riding.
Why have a simple cut off when we could have a very complicated formula so five or six more people can attend a masters race rahter than race their category. :-)
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Greg Crane
> Hey we could sort of "prorate" the mast. cat. Say
> 35/36 is for cat 1/2's, 37/38 for cat 2/3's, 38/39 is
> for cat 3/4's. Unless it's a weekday race since this
> would favor the 1/2's or if it's a weekend race longer
> than 50 miles or a race with more than 2000 feet of
> elevation gain. In which case it would be a simple
> 35-39 cat 1/2 and 40+ all cats.
>
> What I would really like to see is a Greg Crane
> category (I call it a cateGregory). All the masters
> line up and I deselect the "sandbagers" like Shreck,
> Zimbleman, Steger, McCaffery, and anyone else faster
> than me. They then go race their race and I go win my
> race.
>
> If that doesn't work out how bout a 40+ and give the
> promoters some discretion.
>
> I vote for the cateGregory.
>
> Sorry if I sound like a smart-ass/dumb-ass, but not
> really.
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > How about you race your category and eventually get
> > older and race masters. Do not worry, it will come,
> > and then you will wonder why you cared.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
> >
> > > what about:
> > >
> > > 35+ open catagory
> > > 40+ 4/5
> > >
> > > Gordon
> > > -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > > From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I agree we always want an open masters, but I
> > can see some promoter
> > > > arguments that the older 1,2s can fit their
> > category while he still needs to
> > > > make a 'limited' masters group more 'accessible'
> > to promote attendance.
> > > > Don't get me wrong, doubling and tripling up
> > crits is awesome... I did it
> > > > myself at the state champs last summer because
> > the categories were not
> > > > considered in the masters events.
> > > >
> > > > What I really want is for everyone to have fun
> > and opportunity for placement
> > > > in their various categories and I think that
> > comes from keeping rider
> > > > strengths relatively even (at least for
> > non-elite riders). If an event has
> > > > enough attendance for the promoter to break up
> > the masters then I say more
> > > > power to her.
> > > >
> > > > And Schreck can race and kick butt in any darn
> > category he wants :-)
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:50 PM
> > > > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net;
> > gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com;
> > > > rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks george that's is what I meant, thanks. I
> > meant no offense to any
> > > > category, we all race because we love it. bottom
> > line.
> > > > cheers
> > > > mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > > >To: "Malcolm, Gary" , "'mark duff'"
> > > > >, rideon1@hotmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:35 +0000
> > > > >
> > > > >I do not think that Mark has a problem with
> > categories within Masters
> > > > >racing. I think his problem is when the only
> > Masters race is a 3/4/5 which
> > > >
> > > > >means that he cannot race Masters at all. I
> > think that if there is only
> > > > >one Masters race, it should be open to all
> > categories; however, and if
> > > > >there can be two Masters races divided
> > categories so much the better.
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > > >George Schreck
> > > > >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > > >(503) 502-0425
> > > > >
> > > > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > > > >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mark,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I honestly hope you are missing the point. I
> > can't help but notice a bit
> > > >
> > > > >of
> > > > > > bitterness at the thought of lesser riders
> > having decent placings
> > > > >against
> > > > > > folks of their own caliber instead of
> > submitting to the 'dominators'. I
> > > > >also
> > > > > > strongly doubt open masters racing will ever
> > be abandoned for
> > > > >categorized
> > > > > > masters... it's really more of a welcome
> > addition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow
> > older racers an entry point into
> > > >
> > > > >the
> > > > > > sport, and not to let experienced racers
> > 'dominate' beginning gray
> > > > >beards. I
> > > > > > think these categories are typically well
> > attended and offer the
> > > > >opportunity
> > > > > > for the largest segment of Oregon riders to
> > participate in racing
> > > > >without
> > > > > > (how shall I put this kindly) getting their
> > socks blown off by
> > > > >sandbagging
> > > > > > high CATs looking for pack fodder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all
> > the sandbaggers the law will
> > > > > > allow, and with open arms too... See you
> > there ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gary Malcolm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: mark duff
> > [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> > > > > > To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+
> > master cat3 or less races, like
> > > >
> > > > >we
> > > > > > started to see before they changed masters
> > racing to 40+. I was looking
> > > > > > forward to doing more masters racing last
> > year but didn't get to because
> > > >
> > > > >of
> > > > > > the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm
> > looking forward to getting to
> > > >
> > > > >do
> > > > > > more masters racing, but I'm also looking
> > forward to doubling up at the
> > > > > > crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2
> > race too. Promoters need to
> > > > > > remember not to penalize a master just cause
> > he can ride with the young
> > > > >guys
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and the promoters that like to do this cause
> > the have a ton of 3's and
> > > > >want
> > > > > > to dominate the master race, the really
> > aren't because the best masters
> > > > >are
> > > > > > not there...I just hope the promoters keep
> > it as masters 40 with out the
> > > > > > little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > Mark Duff
> > > > > > www.veloforma.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Luciano bailey"
> > > > > > >To: ,
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can
> > become almost overwhelming at
> > > > > > >times, the truth is at the big events
> > masters is an over thirty cat
> > > > >similar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >to the twilight crit where an over forty
> > guy Kent Johnston beat all
> > > > >comers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >In the events where some masters doubled up
> > there
> === message truncated ===>
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