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And if you feel you are not fast enough for 1/2 races, downgrade. Masters races aren't much easier then 1/2s, actually, I've won more 1/2 races than master races the past few years, as has Steve Holland.
How about you race your category and eventually get older and race masters. Do not worry, it will come, and then you will wonder why you cared.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
> what about:
>
> 35+ open catagory
> 40+ 4/5
>
> Gordon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > Mark,
> >
> > I agree we always want an open masters, but I can see some promoter
> > arguments that the older 1,2s can fit their category while he still needs to
> > make a 'limited' masters group more 'accessible' to promote attendance.
> > Don't get me wrong, doubling and tripling up crits is awesome... I did it
> > myself at the state champs last summer because the categories were not
> > considered in the masters events.
> >
> > What I really want is for everyone to ha ve fun and opportunity for placement
> > in their various categories and I think that comes from keeping rider
> > strengths relatively even (at least for non-elite riders). If an event has
> > enough attendance for the promoter to break up the masters then I say more
> > power to her.
> >
> > And Schreck can race and kick butt in any darn category he wants :-)
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:50 PM
> > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com;
> > rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >
> > Thanks george that's is what I meant, thanks. I meant no offense to any
> > category, we all race because we love it. bottom line .
> > cheers
> > mark
> >
> >
> > >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >To: "Malcolm, Gary" , "'mark duff'"
> > >, rideon1@hotmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:35 +0000
> > >
> > >I do not think that Mark has a problem with categories within Masters
> > >racing. I think his problem is when the only Masters race is a 3/4/5 which
> >
> > >means that he cannot race Masters at all. I think that if there is only
> > >one Masters race, it should be open to all categories; however, and if
> > >there can be two Masters races divided categories so much the better.
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >George Schreck
> > >gschr eckcha t@comcast.net
> > >(503) 502-0425
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit
> >
> > >of
> > > > bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings
> > >against
> > > > folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I
> > >also
> > > > strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for
> > >categorized
> > > > masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
> > > >
> > > > Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into
> >
> > >th e
> > > > sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray
> > >beards. I
> > > > think these categories are typically well attended and offer the
> > >opportunity
> > > > for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing
> > >without
> > > > (how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by
> > >sandbagging
> > > > high CATs looking for pack fodder.
> > > >
> > > > Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
> > > > allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary Malcolm
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mark duff [mailto: trackd aze@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> > > > To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like
> >
> > >we
> > > > started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
> > > > forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because
> >
> > >of
> > > > the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to
> >
> > >do
> > > > more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
> > > > crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
> > > > remember not to penalize a mas ter just cause he can ride with the young
> > >guys
> > > >
> > > > and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and
> > >want
> > > > to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters
> > >are
> > > > not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
> > > > little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> > > > cheers
> > > > Mark Duff
> > > > www.veloforma.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Luciano bailey"
> > > > >To: ,
> > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> ; > > > >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat
> > >similar
> > > >
> > > > >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all
> > >comers.
> > > >
> > > > >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2
> > >may
> > > > >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think
> > >these
> > > >
> > > > >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys
> >
> > >so
> > > > >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Candi Murray
> > > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9: 17 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> > > > >of
> > > > > February and it could be voted on again.
> > > > > Candi
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > > > >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > > > Behalf Of David Marsh
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> > > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >
> > > > > NCNCA uses mast ers 35 + at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
> > > > >see
> > > > > it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it
> > >up
> > > >
> > > > >for
> > > > > a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> > > > >voted
> > > > > for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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