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How about you race your category and eventually get older and race masters. Do not worry, it will come, and then you will wonder why you cared.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
> what about:
>
> 35+ open catagory
> 40+ 4/5
>
> Gordon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > Mark,
> >
> > I agree we always want an open masters, but I can see some promoter
> > arguments that the older 1,2s can fit their category while he still needs to
> > make a 'limited' masters group more 'accessible' to promote attendance.
> > Don't get me wrong, doubling and tripling up crits is awesome... I did it
> > myself at the state champs last summer because the categories were not
> > considered in the masters events.
> >
> > What I really want is for everyone to have fun and opportunity for placement
> > in their various categories and I think that comes from keeping rider
> > strengths relatively even (at least for non-elite riders). If an event has
> > enough attendance for the promoter to break up the masters then I say more
> > power to her.
> >
> > And Schreck can race and kick butt in any darn category he wants :-)
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:50 PM
> > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com;
> > rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >
> > Thanks george that's is what I meant, thanks. I meant no offense to any
> > category, we all race because we love it. bottom line.
> > cheers
> > mark
> >
> >
> > >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >To: "Malcolm, Gary" , "'mark duff'"
> > >, rideon1@hotmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:35 +0000
> > >
> > >I do not think that Mark has a problem with categories within Masters
> > >racing. I think his problem is when the only Masters race is a 3/4/5 which
> >
> > >means that he cannot race Masters at all. I think that if there is only
> > >one Masters race, it should be open to all categories; however, and if
> > >there can be two Masters races divided categories so much the better.
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >George Schreck
> > >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > >(503) 502-0425
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit
> >
> > >of
> > > > bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings
> > >against
> > > > folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I
> > >also
> > > > strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for
> > >categorized
> > > > masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
> > > >
> > > > Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into
> >
> > >the
> > > > sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray
> > >beards. I
> > > > think these categories are typically well attended and offer the
> > >opportunity
> > > > for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing
> > >without
> > > > (how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by
> > >sandbagging
> > > > high CATs looking for pack fodder.
> > > >
> > > > Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
> > > > allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary Malcolm
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> > > > To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like
> >
> > >we
> > > > started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
> > > > forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because
> >
> > >of
> > > > the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to
> >
> > >do
> > > > more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
> > > > crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
> > > > remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young
> > >guys
> > > >
> > > > and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and
> > >want
> > > > to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters
> > >are
> > > > not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
> > > > little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> > > > cheers
> > > > Mark Duff
> > > > www.veloforma.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Luciano bailey"
> > > > >To: ,
> > > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> > > > >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat
> > >similar
> > > >
> > > > >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all
> > >comers.
> > > >
> > > > >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2
> > >may
> > > > >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think
> > >these
> > > >
> > > > >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys
> >
> > >so
> > > > >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Candi Murray
> > > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> > > > >of
> > > > > February and it could be voted on again.
> > > > > Candi
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > > > >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > > > Behalf Of David Marsh
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> > > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > > >
> > > > > NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
> > > > >see
> > > > > it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it
> > >up
> > > >
> > > > >for
> > > > > a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> > > > >voted
> > > > > for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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