what about:

35+ open catagory
40+ 4/5

Gordon
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> Mark,
>
> I agree we always want an open masters, but I can see some promoter
> arguments that the older 1,2s can fit their category while he still needs to
> make a 'limited' masters group more 'accessible' to promote attendance.
> Don't get me wrong, doubling and tripling up crits is awesome... I did it
> myself at the state champs last summer because the categories were not
> considered in the masters events.
>
> What I really want is for everyone to have fun and opportunity for placement
> in their various categories and I think that comes from keeping rider
> strengths relatively even (at least for non-elite riders). If an event has
> enough attendance for the promoter to break up the masters then I say more
> power to her.
>
> And Schreck can race and kick butt in any darn category he wants :-)
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:50 PM
> To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com;
> rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>
>
> Thanks george that's is what I meant, thanks. I meant no offense to any
> category, we all race because we love it. bottom line.
> cheers
> mark
>
>
> >From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >To: "Malcolm, Gary" , "'mark duff'"
> >, rideon1@hotmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:35 +0000
> >
> >I do not think that Mark has a problem with categories within Masters
> >racing. I think his problem is when the only Masters race is a 3/4/5 which
>
> >means that he cannot race Masters at all. I think that if there is only
> >one Masters race, it should be open to all categories; however, and if
> >there can be two Masters races divided categories so much the better.
> >
> >--
> >
> >George Schreck
> >gschreckchat@comcast.net
> >(503) 502-0425
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit
>
> >of
> > > bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings
> >against
> > > folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I
> >also
> > > strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for
> >categorized
> > > masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
> > >
> > > Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into
>
> >the
> > > sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray
> >beards. I
> > > think these categories are typically well attended and offer the
> >opportunity
> > > for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing
> >without
> > > (how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by
> >sandbagging
> > > high CATs looking for pack fodder.
> > >
> > > Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
> > > allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary Malcolm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> > > To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >
> > >
> > > Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like
>
> >we
> > > started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
> > > forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because
>
> >of
> > > the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to
>
> >do
> > > more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
> > > crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
> > > remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young
> >guys
> > >
> > > and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and
> >want
> > > to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters
> >are
> > > not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
> > > little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> > > cheers
> > > Mark Duff
> > > www.veloforma.com
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Luciano bailey"
> > > >To: ,
> > > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> > > >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat
> >similar
> > >
> > > >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all
> >comers.
> > >
> > > >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2
> >may
> > > >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think
> >these
> > >
> > > >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys
>
> >so
> > > >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Candi Murray
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> > > >of
> > > > February and it could be voted on again.
> > > > Candi
> > > >
> > > > Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > > >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > > Behalf Of David Marsh
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > > >
> > > > NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
> > > >see
> > > > it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it
> >up
> > >
> > > >for
> > > > a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> > > >voted
> > > > for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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