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Mark,
I agree we always want an open masters, but I can see some promoter
arguments that the older 1,2s can fit their category while he still needs to
make a 'limited' masters group more 'accessible' to promote attendance.
Don't get me wrong, doubling and tripling up crits is awesome... I did it
myself at the state champs last summer because the categories were not
considered in the masters events.
What I really want is for everyone to have fun and opportunity for placement
in their various categories and I think that comes from keeping rider
strengths relatively even (at least for non-elite riders). If an event has
enough attendance for the promoter to break up the masters then I say more
power to her.
And Schreck can race and kick butt in any darn category he wants :-)
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:50 PM
To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com;
rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
Thanks george that's is what I meant, thanks. I meant no offense to any
category, we all race because we love it. bottom line.
cheers
mark
>From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>To: "Malcolm, Gary" , "'mark duff'"
>, rideon1@hotmail.com, obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:35 +0000
>
>I do not think that Mark has a problem with categories within Masters
>racing. I think his problem is when the only Masters race is a 3/4/5 which
>means that he cannot race Masters at all. I think that if there is only
>one Masters race, it should be open to all categories; however, and if
>there can be two Masters races divided categories so much the better.
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
>(503) 502-0425
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Malcolm, Gary"
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit
>of
> > bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings
>against
> > folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I
>also
> > strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for
>categorized
> > masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
> >
> > Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into
>the
> > sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray
>beards. I
> > think these categories are typically well attended and offer the
>opportunity
> > for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing
>without
> > (how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by
>sandbagging
> > high CATs looking for pack fodder.
> >
> > Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
> > allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Gary Malcolm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> > To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >
> > Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like
>we
> > started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
> > forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because
>of
> > the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to
>do
> > more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
> > crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
> > remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young
>guys
> >
> > and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and
>want
> > to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters
>are
> > not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
> > little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> > cheers
> > Mark Duff
> > www.veloforma.com
> >
> >
> > >From: "Luciano bailey"
> > >To: ,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> > >
> > >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> > >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat
>similar
> >
> > >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all
>comers.
> >
> > >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2
>may
> > >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think
>these
> >
> > >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys
>so
> > >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Candi Murray
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >
> > >
> > > If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> > >of
> > > February and it could be voted on again.
> > > Candi
> > >
> > > Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > Behalf Of David Marsh
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> > >
> > > NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
> > >see
> > > it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it
>up
> >
> > >for
> > > a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> > >voted
> > > for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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