I do not think that Mark has a problem with categories within Masters racing. I think his problem is when the only Masters race is a 3/4/5 which means that he cannot race Masters at all. I think that if there is only one Masters race, it should be open to all categories; however, and if there can be two Masters races divided categories so much the better.

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From: "Malcolm, Gary"

> Mark,
>
> I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit of
> bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings against
> folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I also
> strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for categorized
> masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.
>
> Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into the
> sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray beards. I
> think these categories are typically well attended and offer the opportunity
> for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing without
> (how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by sandbagging
> high CATs looking for pack fodder.
>
> Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
> allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Gary Malcolm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
> To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>
>
> Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like we
> started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
> forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because of
> the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to do
> more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
> crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
> remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young guys
>
> and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and want
> to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters are
> not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
> little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
> cheers
> Mark Duff
> www.veloforma.com
>
>
> >From: "Luciano bailey"
> >To: ,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
> >
> >Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
> >times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat similar
>
> >to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all comers.
>
> >In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2 may
> >have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think these
>
> >cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys so
> >keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Candi Murray
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> >
> > If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
> >of
> > February and it could be voted on again.
> > Candi
> >
> > Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of David Marsh
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
> >
> > NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
> >see
> > it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it up
>
> >for
> > a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
> >voted
> > for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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