Mark,

I honestly hope you are missing the point. I can't help but notice a bit of
bitterness at the thought of lesser riders having decent placings against
folks of their own caliber instead of submitting to the 'dominators'. I also
strongly doubt open masters racing will ever be abandoned for categorized
masters... it's really more of a welcome addition.

Masters 3/4 or 4/5 is designed to allow older racers an entry point into the
sport, and not to let experienced racers 'dominate' beginning gray beards. I
think these categories are typically well attended and offer the opportunity
for the largest segment of Oregon riders to participate in racing without
(how shall I put this kindly) getting their socks blown off by sandbagging
high CATs looking for pack fodder.

Straight up 35+ or 40+ Masters allows all the sandbaggers the law will
allow, and with open arms too... See you there ;-)

Best Regards,

Gary Malcolm

-----Original Message-----
From: mark duff [mailto:trackdaze@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:40 AM
To: rideon1@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+

Lets just hope we don't start seeing 40+ master cat3 or less races, like we
started to see before they changed masters racing to 40+. I was looking
forward to doing more masters racing last year but didn't get to because of
the masters 40 rule, but now I'm 40 so I'm looking forward to getting to do
more masters racing, but I'm also looking forward to doubling up at the
crits when I'm feeling good and do the 1/2 race too. Promoters need to
remember not to penalize a master just cause he can ride with the young guys

and the promoters that like to do this cause the have a ton of 3's and want
to dominate the master race, the really aren't because the best masters are
not there...I just hope the promoters keep it as masters 40 with out the
little rule changes. Just my 2 cents.
cheers
Mark Duff
www.veloforma.com

>From: "Luciano bailey"
>To: ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:51:06 -0800
>
>Vote on OBRA the whole masters issue can become almost overwhelming at
>times, the truth is at the big events masters is an over thirty cat similar

>to the twilight crit where an over forty guy Kent Johnston beat all comers.

>In the events where some masters doubled up there performance in a 1/2 may
>have been compromised due to the earlier ride in the masters. I think these

>cats serve the borderline riders better than some of the super old guys so
>keeping them certainly serves the majority. Just my 2 cents
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Candi Murray
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>
>
> If someone wants to propose this, the annual meeting is the first week
>of
> February and it could be voted on again.
> Candi
>
> Ps no the people voting on it were mostly under 40
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of David Marsh
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:26 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters 35+
>
> NCNCA uses masters 35+ at most races. I enjoyed it, and would like to
>see
> it in OBRA events. If it is a rule that was voted on, why not put it up

>for
> a vote again. Also, just wondering...were the majority of people who
>voted
> for a 40+ masters over 40 years old?
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