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Subject: RE: Dogs off leash
Date: 06/28/2001 12:54 AM
From: Tim Schauer
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I wish we could put a "leash" on the "reply to all" button on this
Topica/OBRA list. Come on....give it and us a rest...do what your gonna do
and lets move on...

-----Original Message-----
From: Schreck, George [mailto:george.-@pacificorp.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:11 PM
To: rrr-@aol.com; ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Dogs off leash


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The problem is when people's dogs run amok how do we deal with that. A
number of cyclists were injured by that owner. What are we to do, just
accept the risk. How do I know you have your dog under control, and for
that matter, since an animal is involved, how can you guaranty that you do.
Am I supposed to take the risk that you can control your dog and are we all
supposed to cheerfully accept the consequences if you fail. I bet the
person who caused the accident thought he had his dog under control.
Apparently, you have decided that your desires and your dog's take
precedence over everyone else's and that you are above the law in all
respects. You have an incredible amount of self-importance to go with your
lack of consideration for others. Not a particularly positive attitude for
people living in a crowded society. I suppose on the basis for you
reasoning, that I should be allowed to speed through you neighborhood in my
sports car because I have decided that I can control my automobile and avoid
hitting pedestrians and other vehicles.

                          George C. Schreck
                           Phone: (503) 813-7211
                           Fax: (503) 813-7190


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From: rrr-@aol.com [ mailto:rrr-@aol.com <mailto:rrr-@aol.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:58 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dogs off leash


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I find it amazing the reaction to dogs off leash. Have you ever thought why
we do it. It is for the simple pleasure, joy and excitement that it brings
to
the dog. The ability to run free. I see it as the same feeling I get from
riding down the street, instead of driving. Do I do this to angry motorist,
no? Do I let my dog off leash to anger other people, no? I do have a
responsibility to keep my dog under control though. But because a few dog
owners and bike owners act stupid, doesn't mean rest off us have to pay for
it. I will continue to let my dog off leash in a responsible manner, because

I love to see her eyes light up when I do. And I will continue to ride my
bike no matter how much motorist wish me off the road, because they find me
annoying. Was the guy an idiot, yes, but not all of us are.

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self-importance to go=20
with your lack of consideration for others. Not a particularly =
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attitude for people living in a crowded society.  I suppose on =
the basis=20
for you reasoning, that I should be allowed to speed through you =
neighborhood=20
in my sports car because I have decided that I can control my =
automobile and=20
avoid hitting pedestrians and other vehicles.</FONT></P>
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ob-@topica.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dogs =
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