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I concur! This is a GREAT conversation and I'm learning a ton about human
physiology. Bike riding's good for the legs but this discussion is great for
the intellect!
-m
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Monty Hill
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:49 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] RIde our damn bikes!
I am just trying to kill my 8 hrs of work until I can ride my bike again.
It seems human nature to speculate, comment, ponder etc. And it also seems
human nature to every once and a while run into a crowded (chat) room and
shout how everybody else is an idiot except for oneself. The later seeming
to be more about drawing attention to oneself as righteous and self serving.
The former being about building comradery and having a simple discourse.
Chat on, unless you can ride your bike and e-mail at the same time.
>>> Greg Crane 7/28/2006 1:37:45 pm >>>
I for one do my best wild speculating while ridding my
bike. Still have not worked out that whole grassy
knoll thing however.
--- Joe Cipale wrote:
> I love it how, all of a sudden, we have nothing
> better to do than speculate,
> research and theorize as to the what and wherefors
> of a given rider test.
>
> Drop it.. give it a rest... let the pros sort it
> out. More mis-/dis-
> information is spread this way than awaiting the
> truth. I am not an
> endocrinologist, nor do I pretend to play on on TV.
>
> Joe
>
> Alec Bentley wrote:
>
> > I found several statements in an article in
> today's New York Times of
> > interest in reflecting on the Floyd Landis saga.
> >
> > Dr. Shalender Bhasin, a leading testosterone
> researcher at Boston University
> > Medical Center said that one way to know if the
> ratio found in the test was
> > NORMAL was to continue testing Floyd. If the
> ratio is NORMAL for Floyd, (as
> > he is now claiming) it will not change.
> >
> > Dr. Timothy Foster, an endocrinologist and sports-
> medicine specialist at
> > the Boston Medical Center, said even the 6-1 ratio
> is within a range that
> > could be found naturally in MANY men. Dr.
> Shalender Bhasin agreed. "People
> > can have a high ratio without abuse" he said.
> >
> > The World Anti-Doping Agency used to say a ratio
> of more than 6 to1 was
> > evidence of testosterone abuse. Now it is using a
> ratio of 4 to 1.
> >
> > The New York Times article also reported that a
> carbon isotape ratio mass
> > spectrometry test can be performed to determine
> whether the high levels of
> > Testosterone and / or Epitestosterone are
> naturally occurring.
> >
> > To me this asks a few questions.
> >
> > 1) If Landis has a naturally high Testosterone /
> Epitestosterone Ratio why
> > has it not shown up before?
> >
> > 2) Based on the above, as Landis was reportedly
> tested 6-times during this
> > years Tour de France did they compare each of the
> test results before
> > reporting he had failed the "A" test?
> >
> > 3) If Landis is correct in what he is now claiming
> it appears that there are
> > tests that could prove his position.
> >
> > 4) Why hasn't Landis gone immediately to an
> independent lap and had a new
> > independent test including a test to determine if
> the high levels of
> > Testosterone and / or Epitestosterone are
> naturally occurring?
> >
> >
> > The saga continues. Perhaps we will learn all
> during the Larry King
> > interview with Landis tonight.
> >
> >
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