| Subject: | RE: [shift] RE: Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your |
| Date: | 01/27/2005 04:54 AM |
| From: | Peter Murphy |
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<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>Back wheel works better, than front...More metal...<BR><BR><BR>Pete Murphy </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Raisman, Greg" <Greg.R-@pdxtrans.org> <DIV></DIV>>To: 'Dan H' <da-@bicyclerepairman.us>, Jerry.-@comcast.net,ron-@spiritone.com, sus-@teamestrogen.com,CycleO-@yahoogroups.com, 'obra' <ob-@topica.com>,shi-@lists.riseup.net <DIV></DIV>>Subject: [shift] RE: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your time) <DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:14:28 -0800 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Just an FYI: <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I've heard the signal engineers around here say, "Put your tire on the <DIV></DIV>>wire." This will supposedly trip the sensor when you're riding your bicycle. <DIV></DIV>>So, When you see that black line on the pavement, under it is a wire that is <DIV></DIV>>tripped by magnets when metal passes over. Try putting your tire right on <DIV></DIV>>the wire. I've had better luck trying it this way. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Enjoy. <DIV></DIV>>Greg <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message----- <DIV></DIV>>From: Dan H [mailto:da-@bicyclerepairman.us] <DIV></DIV>>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:28 AM <DIV></DIV>>To: Jerry.-@comcast.net; ron-@spiritone.com; <DIV></DIV>>sus-@teamestrogen.com; CycleO-@yahoogroups.com; 'obra'; <DIV></DIV>>shi-@lists.riseup.net <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your <DIV></DIV>>time) <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> > A substantial number of red lights I encounter are NOT designed to sense <DIV></DIV>> > bikes. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>That can be a problem. Usually a motorist will pull up behind me but stop <DIV></DIV>>too far back to trigger the signal thinking they are being courtious. I <DIV></DIV>>look back and becon them forward pointing at the road immediatly behind me <DIV></DIV>>but most of the time I just get quizical looks like that RCA dog and they <DIV></DIV>>just sit there so I increase the amplitude of my signal with a big wave of <DIV></DIV>>my arm, like, "come here! See the big loop in the road? it's a metal <DIV></DIV>>detector! Look!" About one in five will figure it out and pull forward <DIV></DIV>>enough to trip the signal. I think a lot people still think the signal uses <DIV></DIV>>a pressure pad. They don't. That went out with the 70's. <DIV></DIV>>If the motorist does not trip the signal in 2 cycles I'm forced to make an <DIV></DIV>>illegal manuever to get things going. Sometimes you just have to. <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> > From: "ron strasser" <ron-@spiritone.com> <DIV></DIV>> > To: <sus-@teamestrogen.com>; <CycleO-@yahoogroups.com>; "'obra'" <DIV></DIV>> > <ob-@topica.com>; <shi-@lists.riseup.net> <DIV></DIV>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:54 PM <DIV></DIV>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your <DIV></DIV>> > time) <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > >I agree that the bottom line is for us cyclists to not break the rules of <DIV></DIV>> > > the road (especially in busy urban areas and country roads that have <DIV></DIV>>poor <DIV></DIV>> > > sightlines). The auto drivers that see rules being disobeyed or have to <DIV></DIV>> > > deal with it will not remember the other riders that are riding <DIV></DIV>>properly. <DIV></DIV>> > > I <DIV></DIV>> > > urge cyclists to keep the respect of most motor vehicle drivers by being <DIV></DIV>> > > courteous and riding in a predictable manner. I know that we cannot stop <DIV></DIV>>a <DIV></DIV>> > > driver from breaking the rules of the road...but two wrongs do not make <DIV></DIV>>a <DIV></DIV>> > > right. Even when you are in a hurry on your rides, you make many <DIV></DIV>> > > decisions <DIV></DIV>> > > based on your own safety. I would urge all to consider obeying the <DIV></DIV>>rules <DIV></DIV>> > > of <DIV></DIV>> > > the road as a personal safety decision... in the short and long term. <DIV></DIV>> > > ron strasser <DIV></DIV>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> > > From: "Susan Otcenas" <sus-@teamestrogen.com> <DIV></DIV>> > > To: <CycleO-@yahoogroups.com>; "'obra'" <ob-@topica.com>; <DIV></DIV>> > > <shi-@lists.riseup.net> <DIV></DIV>> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:05 PM <DIV></DIV>> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your <DIV></DIV>>time) <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > >> Apologies in advance for cross-posting to more than one e-list. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Yesterday, the Oregonian published a Letter to the Editor that I wrote <DIV></DIV>> > > after <DIV></DIV>> > >> reading about the latest hit-and-run here on the west side. Should you <DIV></DIV>> > > care <DIV></DIV>> > >> to read it, here's a link to my letter <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>>http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/110639 <DIV></DIV>> > >> 8840172300.xml <DIV></DIV>> > >> as well as the original article <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>>http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_west_new <DIV></DIV>> > >> s/110544844993880.xml <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Predictably, yesterday evening I received an anonymous phone call from <DIV></DIV>> > >> "Jack" who wanted to talk about my letter. Luckily, he wasn't a <DIV></DIV>>nutcase, <DIV></DIV>> > >> and we had an hour-long conversation about the differences between the <DIV></DIV>> > >> way <DIV></DIV>> > >> cyclists and motorists see the world. It was a productive <DIV></DIV>>conversation, <DIV></DIV>> > >> with both of us conceding a few points. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Jack's biggest beef with cyclists was the way in which cyclists often <DIV></DIV>> > >> seem <DIV></DIV>> > >> to flaunt the rules of the road. Running red lights and stop signs, <DIV></DIV>> > > riding <DIV></DIV>> > >> 3 abreast or in packs that do not move over when vehicles approach from <DIV></DIV>> > >> behind, failing to signal, etc. We demand "respect" and assert our <DIV></DIV>> > >> "rights", yet fail to observe the rules ourselves. Frankly, I agree <DIV></DIV>>with <DIV></DIV>> > >> him. Sure, motorists break the rules all the time, but it doesn't <DIV></DIV>> > >> matter. <DIV></DIV>> > >> WE CAN NOT OCCUPY THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WHILE NOT OBEYING THE RULES <DIV></DIV>> > >> OURSELVES. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> I want to start a discussion on a "code of conduct" of sorts. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> ### Note: <DIV></DIV>> > >> - If you wish to debate the evilness of autos, please start another <DIV></DIV>> > > thread. <DIV></DIV>> > >> - If you wish to debate the war in Iraq, please start another thread. <DIV></DIV>> > >> - If you wish to debate the FAIRNESS of said rules, DON'T start a <DIV></DIV>>thread. <DIV></DIV>> > >> Pony up the bucks to join the BTA, or better yet volunteer your time <DIV></DIV>>with <DIV></DIV>> > >> them to advocate for change. <DIV></DIV>> > >> ### <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> The fact is, the rules are the rules, such as they are. If we ever <DIV></DIV>>wish <DIV></DIV>> > > to <DIV></DIV>> > >> gain the respect of the motorists, we have to do a better job of <DIV></DIV>>obeying <DIV></DIV>> > > the <DIV></DIV>> > >> rules of the road. And we have to figure out a way to politely tell <DIV></DIV>>our <DIV></DIV>> > >> fellow cyclists that certain behavior is not acceptable. There's a lot <DIV></DIV>> > >> to <DIV></DIV>> > >> be said for peer pressure. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> In response to a recent post about police ticketing cyclists who were <DIV></DIV>>not <DIV></DIV>> > >> stopping at a particular intersection yesterday, I would very much like <DIV></DIV>> > >> to <DIV></DIV>> > >> commend the OBRA members who pointed that no e-mail "warning" should be <DIV></DIV>> > >> necessary. My favorite was: <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> "Remember the "three R's" of cycling: <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> Same road <DIV></DIV>> > >> Same rules <DIV></DIV>> > >> Same rights" <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> For myself, I'm making a pledge to do better. I know I can't/won't be <DIV></DIV>> > >> perfect. But I'm going to re-double my efforts to stop at every stop <DIV></DIV>> > >> sign <DIV></DIV>> > >> instead of sometimes rolling through when it's "clear". I'm going to <DIV></DIV>>ask <DIV></DIV>> > >> friends on group rides to be more conscious of approaching vehicles so <DIV></DIV>> > > that <DIV></DIV>> > >> we can be courteous to our fellow citizens by allowing them to safely <DIV></DIV>> > > pass. <DIV></DIV>> > >> I'm going to re-read "Pedal Power, A Legal Guide for Oregon Bicyclists" <DIV></DIV>> > >> so <DIV></DIV>> > > I <DIV></DIV>> > >> can be sure of my rights and responsibilities (free download available <DIV></DIV>>at <DIV></DIV>> > >> http://www.stc-law.com/bikepower.html ). I'm hoping that some of you <DIV></DIV>> > > will <DIV></DIV>> > >> also take some time to look at how you use your bicycle, and see if <DIV></DIV>>there <DIV></DIV>> > >> isn't some small way in which you can improve as well. Every action we <DIV></DIV>> > >> as <DIV></DIV>> > >> individuals take is seen as representative of our entire <DIV></DIV>> > >> class--especially <DIV></DIV>> > >> if it's a negative action, which reinforces what motorists already <DIV></DIV>>think <DIV></DIV>> > > and <DIV></DIV>> > >> expect. <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> So, I pose two questions: <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> 1) What's the best way for individual cyclists to communicate with <DIV></DIV>>other <DIV></DIV>> > >> individual cyclists, on the road, about behaving? <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> And <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> 2) What would be the most effective way for an organization (like the <DIV></DIV>> > >> BTA, <DIV></DIV>> > >> OBRA, the Wheelman, etc.) to do broad outreach to the cycling community <DIV></DIV>> > >> on <DIV></DIV>> > >> this issue? <DIV></DIV>> > >> <DIV></DIV>> > >> I apologize if this e-mail has come across as preachy. That's not my <DIV></DIV>> > >> intent. I just think we need to figure out a way to peacefully <DIV></DIV>>co-exist <DIV></DIV>> > >> with motorists and this seems like a good way to start. Please don't <DIV></DIV>> > > flame <DIV></DIV>> > >> me if you disagree. 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