| Subject: | Re: Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your time) |
| Date: | 01/26/2005 04:53 AM |
| From: | Peter Murphy |
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<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P><BR><BR></P></DIV> <P>Jerry et al.</P> <P>Look for the point where the "loop" connects to the wire that leads back to the signal controller. Place your bike so that the cranks (biggest hunk of metal) over that point. If you still have problems, note the intersection and the direction of travel and notify the county or city and they may be able to increase the sensitivity.<BR><BR><BR>Pete Murphy </P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <P> </P> <P>>From: Jerry Winter <Jerry.-@comcast.net> </P> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: Jerry.-@comcast.net <DIV></DIV>>To: ron-@spiritone.com, sus-@teamestrogen.com, CycleO-@yahoogroups.com, 'obra' <ob-@topica.com>, shi-@lists.riseup.net <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your time) <DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:15:36 -0800 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>A substantial number of red lights I encounter are NOT designed to <DIV></DIV>>sense bikes. Obeying the law (waiting for the light to turn green) <DIV></DIV>>is pretty hard to do ... after you've waited through several greens <DIV></DIV>>on the cross traffic. Cars in adjacent lanes occassionally seem <DIV></DIV>>perturbed when bikes run the red. They've never had to wait through <DIV></DIV>>several greens. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Jerry Winter <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message ----- From: "ron strasser" <DIV></DIV>><ron-@spiritone.com> <DIV></DIV>>To: <sus-@teamestrogen.com>; <CycleO-@yahoogroups.com>; <DIV></DIV>>"'obra'" <ob-@topica.com>; <shi-@lists.riseup.net> <DIV></DIV>>Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:54 PM <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth <DIV></DIV>>your time) <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>>I agree that the bottom line is for us cyclists to not break the <DIV></DIV>>>rules of <DIV></DIV>>>the road (especially in busy urban areas and country roads that <DIV></DIV>>>have poor <DIV></DIV>>>sightlines). The auto drivers that see rules being disobeyed or <DIV></DIV>>>have to <DIV></DIV>>>deal with it will not remember the other riders that are riding <DIV></DIV>>>properly. I <DIV></DIV>>>urge cyclists to keep the respect of most motor vehicle drivers by <DIV></DIV>>>being <DIV></DIV>>>courteous and riding in a predictable manner. I know that we cannot <DIV></DIV>>>stop a <DIV></DIV>>>driver from breaking the rules of the road...but two wrongs do not <DIV></DIV>>>make a <DIV></DIV>>>right. Even when you are in a hurry on your rides, you make many <DIV></DIV>>>decisions <DIV></DIV>>>based on your own safety. I would urge all to consider obeying the <DIV></DIV>>>rules of <DIV></DIV>>>the road as a personal safety decision... in the short and long <DIV></DIV>>>term. <DIV></DIV>>>ron strasser <DIV></DIV>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Otcenas" <DIV></DIV>>><sus-@teamestrogen.com> <DIV></DIV>>>To: <CycleO-@yahoogroups.com>; "'obra'" <ob-@topica.com>; <DIV></DIV>>><shi-@lists.riseup.net> <DIV></DIV>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:05 PM <DIV></DIV>>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth <DIV></DIV>>>your time) <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>Apologies in advance for cross-posting to more than one e-list. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>Yesterday, the Oregonian published a Letter to the Editor that I <DIV></DIV>>>>wrote <DIV></DIV>>>after <DIV></DIV>>>>reading about the latest hit-and-run here on the west side. <DIV></DIV>>>>Should you <DIV></DIV>>>care <DIV></DIV>>>>to read it, here's a link to my letter <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/110639 <DIV></DIV>>>>8840172300.xml <DIV></DIV>>>>as well as the original article <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_west_new <DIV></DIV>>>>s/110544844993880.xml <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>Predictably, yesterday evening I received an anonymous phone call <DIV></DIV>>>>from <DIV></DIV>>>>"Jack" who wanted to talk about my letter. Luckily, he wasn't a <DIV></DIV>>>>nutcase, <DIV></DIV>>>>and we had an hour-long conversation about the differences between <DIV></DIV>>>>the way <DIV></DIV>>>>cyclists and motorists see the world. It was a productive <DIV></DIV>>>>conversation, <DIV></DIV>>>>with both of us conceding a few points. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>Jack's biggest beef with cyclists was the way in which cyclists <DIV></DIV>>>>often seem <DIV></DIV>>>>to flaunt the rules of the road. Running red lights and stop <DIV></DIV>>>>signs, <DIV></DIV>>>riding <DIV></DIV>>>>3 abreast or in packs that do not move over when vehicles approach <DIV></DIV>>>>from <DIV></DIV>>>>behind, failing to signal, etc. We demand "respect" and assert <DIV></DIV>>>>our <DIV></DIV>>>>"rights", yet fail to observe the rules ourselves. Frankly, I <DIV></DIV>>>>agree with <DIV></DIV>>>>him. Sure, motorists break the rules all the time, but it doesn't <DIV></DIV>>>>matter. <DIV></DIV>>>>WE CAN NOT OCCUPY THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WHILE NOT OBEYING THE <DIV></DIV>>>>RULES <DIV></DIV>>>>OURSELVES. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>I want to start a discussion on a "code of conduct" of sorts. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>### Note: <DIV></DIV>>>>- If you wish to debate the evilness of autos, please start <DIV></DIV>>>>another <DIV></DIV>>>thread. <DIV></DIV>>>>- If you wish to debate the war in Iraq, please start another <DIV></DIV>>>>thread. <DIV></DIV>>>>- If you wish to debate the FAIRNESS of said rules, DON'T start a <DIV></DIV>>>>thread. <DIV></DIV>>>>Pony up the bucks to join the BTA, or better yet volunteer your <DIV></DIV>>>>time with <DIV></DIV>>>>them to advocate for change. <DIV></DIV>>>>### <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>The fact is, the rules are the rules, such as they are. If we <DIV></DIV>>>>ever wish <DIV></DIV>>>to <DIV></DIV>>>>gain the respect of the motorists, we have to do a better job of <DIV></DIV>>>>obeying <DIV></DIV>>>the <DIV></DIV>>>>rules of the road. And we have to figure out a way to politely <DIV></DIV>>>>tell our <DIV></DIV>>>>fellow cyclists that certain behavior is not acceptable. There's <DIV></DIV>>>>a lot to <DIV></DIV>>>>be said for peer pressure. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>In response to a recent post about police ticketing cyclists who <DIV></DIV>>>>were not <DIV></DIV>>>>stopping at a particular intersection yesterday, I would very much <DIV></DIV>>>>like to <DIV></DIV>>>>commend the OBRA members who pointed that no e-mail "warning" <DIV></DIV>>>>should be <DIV></DIV>>>>necessary. My favorite was: <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>"Remember the "three R's" of cycling: <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>> Same road <DIV></DIV>>>> Same rules <DIV></DIV>>>> Same rights" <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>For myself, I'm making a pledge to do better. I know I <DIV></DIV>>>>can't/won't be <DIV></DIV>>>>perfect. But I'm going to re-double my efforts to stop at every <DIV></DIV>>>>stop sign <DIV></DIV>>>>instead of sometimes rolling through when it's "clear". I'm going <DIV></DIV>>>>to ask <DIV></DIV>>>>friends on group rides to be more conscious of approaching <DIV></DIV>>>>vehicles so <DIV></DIV>>>that <DIV></DIV>>>>we can be courteous to our fellow citizens by allowing them to <DIV></DIV>>>>safely <DIV></DIV>>>pass. <DIV></DIV>>>>I'm going to re-read "Pedal Power, A Legal Guide for Oregon <DIV></DIV>>>>Bicyclists" so <DIV></DIV>>>I <DIV></DIV>>>>can be sure of my rights and responsibilities (free download <DIV></DIV>>>>available at <DIV></DIV>>>>http://www.stc-law.com/bikepower.html ). I'm hoping that some of <DIV></DIV>>>>you <DIV></DIV>>>will <DIV></DIV>>>>also take some time to look at how you use your bicycle, and see <DIV></DIV>>>>if there <DIV></DIV>>>>isn't some small way in which you can improve as well. Every <DIV></DIV>>>>action we as <DIV></DIV>>>>individuals take is seen as representative of our entire <DIV></DIV>>>>class--especially <DIV></DIV>>>>if it's a negative action, which reinforces what motorists already <DIV></DIV>>>>think <DIV></DIV>>>and <DIV></DIV>>>>expect. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>So, I pose two questions: <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>1) What's the best way for individual cyclists to communicate with <DIV></DIV>>>>other <DIV></DIV>>>>individual cyclists, on the road, about behaving? <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>And <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>2) What would be the most effective way for an organization (like <DIV></DIV>>>>the BTA, <DIV></DIV>>>>OBRA, the Wheelman, etc.) to do broad outreach to the cycling <DIV></DIV>>>>community on <DIV></DIV>>>>this issue? <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>I apologize if this e-mail has come across as preachy. That's not <DIV></DIV>>>>my <DIV></DIV>>>>intent. I just think we need to figure out a way to peacefully <DIV></DIV>>>>co-exist <DIV></DIV>>>>with motorists and this seems like a good way to start. Please <DIV></DIV>>>>don't <DIV></DIV>>>flame <DIV></DIV>>>>me if you disagree. Constructive criticism and discussion <DIV></DIV>>>>welcome. <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>Susan <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>-------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>>>>Susan Otcenas <DIV></DIV>>>>TEAM ESTROGEN, INC. __~o <DIV></DIV>>>>2038 NW Aloclek Dr., Suite 220 -\_<, <DIV></DIV>>>>Hillsboro, OR 97124 (*)/'(*) <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>http://www.TeamEstrogen.com <DIV></DIV>>>>1-877-310-4592 <DIV></DIV>>>>-------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>>>> Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women <DIV></DIV>>>>-------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. <DIV></DIV>>>>To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org <DIV></DIV>>>>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>>> <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. <DIV></DIV>>>To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org <DIV></DIV>>>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. <DIV></DIV>>To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org <DIV></DIV>>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV></div></html> |
