| Subject: | RE: Upgrade Question |
| Date: | 05/26/2004 03:49 AM |
| From: | Mike Murray |
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C44358.60B3B6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are very specific rules on the road. Actually far more specific than the MTB rules. They are listed at http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html. It should be noted that in order for results to count they have to have been obtained in qualifying races. Only road races and criteriums count. Time trials and handicaps do not. The races have to meet the minimum distance (or time) and field size listed for that upgrade. Since there is no reasonable system for collecting information on all results of all possible riders, upgrades usually happen at the request of the rider. Occasionally a riders results will be notable enough that they will be upgraded without requesting it themselves. Actually in tabulating the BAR this information is generally caught. If anyone has information about a rider who has results that should merit an upgrade but who has not upgraded that information should be forwarded to Candi Murray at cmur-@obra.org and she will evaluate. On a related topic, there has recently been a problem with people obtaining OBRA membership and selecting a category other than Cat 5 for men or Cat 4 for women despite the fact that they have yet to meet the upgrade criteria or, for that matter, even compete in a road event. In theory a person needs to present info supporting their category, like a USCF, ACA, ABR or CBR membership. In practice people are slipping through, probably when purchasing the membership at a race. This is not how the system works. You don't get to self select category. Mike Murray -----Original Message----- From: Cowan-@aol.com [mailto:Cowan-@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 17:38 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] Upgrade Question *********************************************************** Apply now for a No-Annual-Fee Discover. Platinum Card 0% Intro APR*, No Annual Fee, Up to 2% Cashback Bonus. award* Start Saving Today APPLY NOW! It's fast, easy and secure. http://click.topica.com/caacf0DaVxiDpa2wQzCb/ Discover Card ***********************************************************As I understand for MTB, the upgrade rule is two 1rst place finishes or three Top 3's is an automatic upgrade (per Kevin Thompson). Are there any rules for the road? Should someone with five 1rst place finishes along with an additional three top 3 finishes still be able to race cat 4? With these results it seems there are no rules, and if so, they are inadequate or not being followed. Is this sandbagging? Thanks for the clarification. Rich =========================================================== Buy Stocks and Index Funds for just $4 No Account or Investment Minimums and No Inactivity Fees Automatically invest weekly or monthly and build your future. http://click.topica.com/caaccMMaVxiDpa2wQzCg/ Sharebuilder =========================================================== To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C44358.60B3B6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There are very specific rules on the road. Actually far more specific than the MTB rules. They are listed at <A href="http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html">http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html</A>. It should be noted that in order for results to count they have to have been obtained in qualifying races. Only road races and criteriums count. Time trials and handicaps do not. The races have to meet the minimum distance (or time) and field size listed for that upgrade. Since there is no reasonable system for collecting information on all results of all possible riders, upgrades usually happen at the request of the rider. Occasionally a riders results will be notable enough that they will be upgraded without requesting it themselves. Actually in tabulating the BAR this information is generally caught. If anyone has information about a rider who has results that should merit an upgrade but who has not upgraded that information should be forwarded to Candi Murray at <A href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> and she will evaluate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On a related topic, there has recently been a problem with people obtaining OBRA membership and selecting a category other than Cat 5 for men or Cat 4 for women despite the fact that they have yet to meet the upgrade criteria or, for that matter, even compete in a road event. In theory a person needs to present info supporting their category, like a USCF, ACA, ABR or CBR membership. In practice people are slipping through, probably when purchasing the membership at a race. This is not how the system works. You don't get to self select category. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Mike Murray </FONT></P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cowan-@aol.com [mailto:Cowan-@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 26, 2004 17:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Upgrade Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><PRE>*********************************************************** Apply now for a No-Annual-Fee Discover. Platinum Card 0% Intro APR*, No Annual Fee, Up to 2% Cashback Bonus. award* Start Saving Today APPLY NOW! It's fast, easy and secure. <A href="http://click.topica.com/caacf0DaVxiDpa2wQzCb/">http://click.topica.com/caacf0DaVxiDpa2wQzCb/</A> Discover Card ***********************************************************</PRE><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">As I understand for MTB, the upgrade rule is two 1rst place finishes or three Top 3's is an automatic upgrade (per Kevin Thompson).<BR><BR>Are there any rules for the road? Should someone with five 1rst place finishes along with an additional three top 3 finishes still be able to race cat 4? With these results it seems there are no rules, and if so, they are inadequate or not being followed. <BR><BR>Is this sandbagging?<BR><BR>Thanks for the clarification.<BR><BR>Rich</FONT><PRE>=========================================================== Buy Stocks and Index Funds for just $4 No Account or Investment Minimums and No Inactivity Fees Automatically invest weekly or monthly and build your future. <A href="http://click.topica.com/caaccMMaVxiDpa2wQzCg/">http://click.topica.com/caaccMMaVxiDpa2wQzCg/</A> Sharebuilder =========================================================== </PRE><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C44358.60B3B6B0-- |
