| Subject: | RE: more centerline discussion |
| Date: | 03/29/2004 03:36 AM |
| From: | Whitlinger, David L |
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C415DD.429857C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In this case it was discussed immediately prior to the 4/5 race. While we were lining up and receiving instructions from the race officials, the question was asked about the road without a centerline. The race official stated that there was a stretch of road without a centerline painted on it, but we were still expected to ride in the right lane and not cross the center of the road. The road was open for two way traffic and we needed to stay right. This was the instruction from the race official at the start of the race - no interpretation necessary. So riders might have had other opinions about how the race rules should have been laid out for that part of the course, but the rules were clear at the start of this race. _____ From: Schreck, George [mailto:George.-@PacifiCorp.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:09 PM To: Whitlinger, David L; ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion But where was the centerline on a narrow one-lane road with no line. What specific reference prevents a rider from riding up next to you in the middle. I believe that this road was a special case that we see infrequently. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Whitlinger [mailto:david.l.w-@intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:48 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion =========================================================== **** Bounces like rubber! Shatters like ceramic! **** Discover Crazy Aaron's Thinking Putty in grown up handfuls. It's the creativity unleashing, mood enhancing desk toy! http://click.topica.com/caab4CEaVxiDpaVzo6Rb/ Crazy Aaron Enterprises =========================================================== Here is one perspective and some details for those that weren't in the race: + All of the riders were explained the rules at the start of the race. Everyone was told that the road didn't have a yellow line and that they were still expected stay off the left lane or they were breaking the rules. + In the CAT 4/5 race, on the lap in question, a break occurred before the turn onto the narrow road without a centerline. It was a small break with 2-3 riders and as it happened, the team mates of one of the riders in the break were at the front of the main peleton going into the turn. As is expected, the team mates on the front of the peleton did not try to catch up to the break. They eased off and let the break go. That's called bike racing. + Around 10-15 riders didn't like this tactic and decided to ride over the centerline, pass the peleton and catch up with the break. There was no question that riders were making a conscious decision to cheat. Several riders got bunched up in the left lane and ended up taking over the whole road at one point. Other riders in the peleton were calling out numbers of the offending riders and I'm sure some riders decided that if the rules weren't going to be enforced, they were going to take advantage of the situation as well. + In the end, after about 15 riders broke the rules and caught up with the break. The rest of the peleton decided catch up rather than let the offending riders profit from the situation. In subsequent laps, the peleton was mostly strung out on that stretch of road so there weren't more issues. What occurred was dangerous and very unsporting. I don't think the race promoters can be held responsible - they do everything they can to put the event on. The least the riders can do is play by the rules and ride a fair and safe race. Follow the rules or don't race...go for a ride with your friends and let the rest of us have a fair, safe contest. Dave _____ From: Jerald Powell [mailto:jpow-@spiritone.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:22 PM To: mad-@huttig.com Cc: dirty-@attbi.com; ob-@topica.com Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion Come on folks... ride the bike. The piece of road in question has been a part of many, if not most piece of cake races since the first one I rode... I think in 1980 or '81, can't be sure. Having not been there this weekend, I don't know what y'all were doing out there, but in the past, the lead car usually went far enough ahead to shut down on-coming traffic. By the way, it's the same thing on a forest service road, or any other non-center line road for that matter. So do you go neutral in that kind of situation? I guess you could, but the reasonable (and tactically correct) way to ride that kind of racing situation is to make sure you're at or off the front when you enter that road. If you were caught back in the pack when you left the good road , you're going to have a long day, 'cause the leaders can and should be putting some distance on you. As they say. That's road racing. Jerry On Mar 29, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Adams, Mike wrote: I know I am just one, but unless this situation gets some serious attention then that is the last time I will do piece of cake. The way to handle no center line is to go neutral and everyone holds his\her position. This would be the fair thing to do. The first and second corner on that stretch of rode are blind and all it would take is for a disgruntled driver, who can drive on that side of the rode at the speed posted or there about, to cut the corner and many riders are injured seriously or fatally. I do not think we need this type of incident for OBRA. Just my opinion. Mike Adams -----Original Message----- From: Nick Glazener [mailto:dirty-@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:50 AM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion The POC presented some unique center line challenges on Dannon Rd.. I understood that the centerline rule still applied even on the narrow Dannon Rd.. That would have been very difficult since there was no clear center line. There was a lot of confusion about the issue within the pack (4/5). After a couple laps it was obvious to me that if I respected the rule, then I was going to loose position in the pack to those that were ignoring the rule. As most racers know, the safest place was in the front quarter of the pack. None of the riders that were attacking the left side of the road wanted to actually share the pace workload. I broke the rule on the third lap to get up the front third. It didn't do me any any good because there were 3 times as many offenders that passed me. There was a lot of verbal bantering. One rider was quite verbal about pointing out the offending riders by number. It was annoying but appropriate to use peer pressure. It was potentially a very dangerous situation if there had been a car up. There was also some frustration with a team sending riders up in a break away and then blocking at the front (another topic). It would have been a very difficult job for an official to monitor and enforce. There wasn't even a safe place for an official's car to come along the side and warn offending riders. I wonder if it would be safe to have the official car travel on the left side of the pack for those narrow roads. The same situation exist for those races that use Forrest Service roads. However, those roads tend to be in the hills which thin the pack out. I don't think there any easy answers for this. I expect the official response to be, "the rule was in effect and officials should have enforced it." The application in reality may not be so easy. In the end, it all sorted itself out for a good finish and no injuries from a center line violation. Jerald M Powell, AICP Community Planning 1926 SW Madison Street Portland, OR 97205 503 222 7173 503 799 7823 jpow-@spiritone.com =========================================================== **** Bounces like rubber! Shatters like ceramic! **** Discover Crazy Aaron's Thinking Putty in grown up handfuls. It's the creativity unleashing, mood enhancing desk toy! http://click.topica.com/caab5n2aVxiDpaVzo6Rg/ Crazy Aaron Enterprises =========================================================== To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. 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While we were lining up and receiving instructions from the race officials, the question was asked about the road without a centerline. The race official stated that there was a stretch of road without a centerline painted on it, but we were still expected to ride in the right lane and not cross the center of the road. The road was open for two way traffic and we needed to stay right. This was the instruction from the race official at the start of the race – no interpretation necessary. So riders might have had other opinions about how the race rules should have been laid out for that part of the course, but the rules were clear at the start of this race.</span></font></p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Schreck, George [mailto:George.-@PacifiCorp.com] <br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 29, 2004 2:09 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Whitlinger, David L; ob-@topica.com<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion</span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>But where was the centerline on a narrow one-lane road with no line. What specific reference prevents a rider from riding up next to you in the middle. I believe that this road was a special case that we see infrequently.</span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Dave Whitlinger [mailto:david.l.w-@intel.com] <br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 29, 2004 1:48 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ob-@topica.com<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion</span></font></p> <pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>===========================================================</span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>**** Bounces like rubber! 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Everyone was told that the road didn’t have a yellow line and that they were still expected stay off the left lane or they were breaking the rules.</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>+ In the CAT 4/5 race, on the lap in question, a break occurred before the turn onto the narrow road without a centerline. It was a small break with 2-3 riders and as it happened, the team mates of one of the riders in the break were at the front of the main peleton going into the turn. As is expected, the team mates on the front of the peleton did not try to catch up to the break. They eased off and let the break go. That’s called bike racing.</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>+ Around 10-15 riders didn’t like this tactic and decided to ride over the centerline, pass the peleton and catch up with the break. There was no question that riders were making a conscious decision to cheat. Several riders got bunched up in the left lane and ended up taking over the whole road at one point. Other riders in the peleton were calling out numbers of the offending riders and I’m sure some riders decided that if the rules weren’t going to be enforced, they were going to take advantage of the situation as well.</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>+ In the end, after about 15 riders broke the rules and caught up with the break. The rest of the peleton decided catch up rather than let the offending riders profit from the situation. In subsequent laps, the peleton was mostly strung out on that stretch of road so there weren’t more issues.</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What occurred was dangerous and very unsporting. I don’t think the race promoters can be held responsible – they do everything they can to put the event on. The least the riders can do is play by the rules and ride a fair and safe race. Follow the rules or don’t race…go for a ride with your friends and let the rest of us have a fair, safe contest.</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jerald Powell [mailto:jpow-@spiritone.com] <br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 29, 2004 12:22 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> mad-@huttig.com<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> dirty-@attbi.com; ob-@topica.com<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion</span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Come on folks... ride the bike. The piece of road in question has been a part of many, if not most piece of cake races since the first one I rode... I think in 1980 or '81, can't be sure. Having not been there this weekend, I don't know what y'all were doing out there, but in the past, the lead car usually went far enough ahead to shut down on-coming traffic. By the way, it's the same thing on a forest service road, or any other non-center line road for that matter. So do you go neutral in that kind of situation? I guess you could, but the reasonable (and tactically correct) way to ride that kind of racing situation is to make sure you're at or off the front when you enter that road. If you were caught back in the pack when you left the good road , you're going to have a long day, 'cause the leaders can and should be putting some distance on you. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As they say. That's road racing. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jerry </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mar 29, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Adams, Mike wrote: </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know I am just one, but unless this situation gets some serious attention then that is the last time I will do piece of cake. The way to handle no center line is to go neutral and everyone holds his\her position. This would be the fair thing to do. The first and second corner on that stretch of rode are blind and all it would take is for a disgruntled driver, who can drive on that side of the rode at the speed posted or there about, to cut the corner and many riders are injured seriously or fatally. I do not think we need this type of incident for OBRA. Just my opinion. </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mike Adams </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original Message----- </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: Nick Glazener [mailto:dirty-@attbi.com] </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:50 AM </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>To: ob-@topica.com </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: [OBRA Chat] more centerline discussion </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The POC presented some unique center line challenges on Dannon Rd.. I </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>understood that the centerline rule still applied even on the narrow </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dannon Rd.</span></font>. That would have been very difficult since there was no </p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>clear center line. There was a lot of confusion about the issue within </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>the pack (4/5). After a couple laps it was obvious to me that if I </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>respected the rule, then I was going to loose position in the pack to </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>those that were ignoring the rule. As most racers know, the safest </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>place was in the front quarter of the pack. None of the riders that </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>were attacking the left side of the road wanted to actually share the </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>pace workload. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I broke the rule on the third lap to get up the front third. It didn't </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>do me any any good because there were 3 times as many offenders that </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>passed me. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There was a lot of verbal bantering. One rider was quite verbal about </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>pointing out the offending riders by number. It was annoying but </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>appropriate to use peer pressure. It was potentially a very dangerous </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>situation if there had been a car up. There was also some frustration </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>with a team sending riders up in a break away and then blocking at the </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>front (another topic). </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It would have been a very difficult job for an official to monitor and </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>enforce. There wasn't even a safe place for an official's car to come </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>along the side and warn offending riders. I wonder if it would be safe </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>to have the official car travel on the left side of the pack for those </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>narrow roads. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The same situation exist for those races that use Forrest Service roads. </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>However, those roads tend to be in the hills which thin the pack out. </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't think there any easy answers for this. I expect the official </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>response to be, "the rule was in effect and officials should have </span></font></p> <p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>enforced it." 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