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Subject: RE: Anti-bicyclist letter in Friday's Oregonian (A& E
Date: 08/26/2003 03:04 AM
From: Steve-@clark.wa.gov

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Send your cards and letters to the editors of A&E ladies and gentlemen. Why
tell us when we already agree with you?

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael O'Hair [mailto:moh-@easystreet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:09 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Anti-bicyclist letter in Friday's Oregonian (A& E
section)



I have personally witnessed nine events where a marked patrol car was first
in line waiting for the red light to change and when it changed, a vehicle
blew through the light at speed. In all of these events, the vehicle could
have stopped easily but didn't. And in all of these events, the patrol car
did not give pursuit. The score card is five Portland police, two Multnomah
County sheriff, and two Washington County sheriff. The lesson given, if not
intentionally, is that police don't want to bother with cars running red
lights. The only common thread through these events was that they all
occurred before 9 AM in the suburban southwest and it was clear and dry.

The bottom line is don't trust anyone at any time.

Note:
I doubt seriously that the motorists who witnessed these events with me went
home that night and groused about "those damn fool Mercedes Benz drivers."



----- Original Message -----
From: DDAVID-@aol.com <mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com>


hello
i agree with curt
lots of cars do california stops, but they do not blow thru them at speed
and running red lights when they just turned from yellow is a lot different
than running them anytime
david baker

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<DIV><SPAN class=883022516-26082003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Send your
cards and letters to the editors of A&E ladies and gentlemen. Why tell us
when we already agree with you?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Michael O'Hair
[mailto:moh-@easystreet.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 25, 2003 6:09
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat]
Anti-bicyclist letter in Friday's Oregonian (A& E
section)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have personally witnessed nine events where a
marked patrol car was first in line waiting for the red light to change and
when it changed, a vehicle blew through the light at speed.  In all
of these events, the vehicle could have stopped easily but didn't.  And
in all of these events, the patrol car did not give pursuit.  The score
card is five Portland police, two Multnomah County sheriff, and two
Washington County sheriff.  The lesson given, if not intentionally, is
that police don't want to bother with cars running red lights.  The only
common thread through these events was that they all occurred before 9 AM in
the suburban southwest and it was clear and dry. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The bottom line is don't trust anyone at any
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Note:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I doubt seriously that the motorists who
witnessed these events with me went home that night and groused about "those
damn fool Mercedes Benz drivers."</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
    <A title=DDA-@aol.com
    href="mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com">DDAVID-@aol.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV><FONT
    face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
    FAMILY="SANSSERIF">hello<BR>i agree with curt<BR>lots of cars do california
    stops, but they do not blow thru them at speed<BR>and running red lights
    when they just turned from yellow is a lot different than running them
    anytime<BR>david baker</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com
To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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