| Subject: | Another Bicyclist Hit- semi-OT |
| Date: | 07/31/2003 03:00 AM |
| From: | markjgi-@yahoo.com |
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--0-818973677-1059669483=:79875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The threshold for a police officer to write a ticket has been changing in Portland over the last couple of years. For any type of collision, it used to be that a report was pretty common. Then it became if an ambulance was called to the scene a report was written, and then recently it became if someone is taken to a level one trauma center (i.e.OHSU or emmanuel) by ambulance that a report gets written. There are many other bicycle lists which discuss the nature of underreported collisions. Also your friend should be aware that separate from the Police report is the DMV accident report, which needs to be filled out by each person in a collision, if there is property damage over $1,000.00, or if anyone is hurt, no matter how slightly. As for an insurance industry person trying to settle under the table. My $0.02 is that this is both telling and questionable. You (or your friend) can also call police non-emergency and they will mail you the form to fill out to make your own "police" report. Good luck, Mark Ginsberg, Esq. evanmac-@aol.com wrote: I got this from a friend. Interesting. Evan "We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves." ......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in William H. Calvin's, "The River that Flows Uphill", 1986) To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.comTo unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "map head" To: USPST-@lists.pdx.edu Subject: Another Bicyclist Hit Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:16:10 -0700 This one near NE Knott & MLK Fortunately not by a run away driver. Just by someone that wants to 'settle under the table' Go figure - the driver works in the insurance industry and she suggested to my friend that 'we just take care of it' THAT and the police officer did NOT write a report because my pal stated she was not too badly injured physically. I thought the cops filed reports on scene and the doctors and chiros figured out physical suffering. I would not leave a judgement like that to a beat cop. The bike is wrecked. Seems like the dollar value on the repair might warrant a report for any future claim. Makes me wonder how many other incidents are going unfiled at the cop shop. If each call does not generate a report, then the numbers that researchers depend on >> incidents counted from police reports may be unrealistically LOW. I do know that since our report was filed at least one lawyer used the report to solicit us to use his services. Please hold good thoughts for our recovering pals. Each is sad that she cannot ride right now. Its specially bad since the clean air action days are upon us - and the bus - while a moderately viable alternative - takes twice as long. Later, Z _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Mark J. GinsbergAttorney At Law851 SW 6th Ave., Ste. 1600Portland OR 97204(503) 542-3000Fax (503) 248-6800 markjgi-@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-818973677-1059669483=:79875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <DIV>The threshold for a police officer to write a ticket has been changing in Portland over the last couple of years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For any type of collision, it used to be that a report was pretty common. Then it became<BR>if an ambulance was called to the scene a report was written, and then recently it became if someone is taken to a level one trauma center (i.e.OHSU or emmanuel) by ambulance that a report gets written.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are many other bicycle lists which discuss the nature of underreported collisions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also your friend should be aware that separate from the Police report is the DMV accident report, which needs to be filled out by each person in a collision, if there is property damage over $1,000.00, or if anyone is hurt, no matter how slightly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for an insurance industry person trying to settle under the table. My $0.02 is that this is both telling and questionable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You (or your friend) can also call police non-emergency and they will mail you the form to fill out to make your own "police" report.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good luck,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mark Ginsberg, Esq.</DIV> <DIV><BR><B><I>evanmac-@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I got this from a friend. Interesting.<BR><BR>Evan<BR><BR>"We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves."<BR>......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in William H. Calvin's, "The River that Flows Uphill", 1986)<BR></FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com</PRE><BR><BR>> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 <BR>From: "map head" <MAPHE-@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To: USPST-@lists.pdx.edu<BR>Subject: Another Bicyclist Hit<BR>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:16:10 -0700<BR><BR>This one near NE Knott & MLK<BR><BR>Fortunately not by a run away driver.<BR>Just by someone that wants to 'settle under the table'<BR><BR>Go figure - the driver works in the insurance industry and she suggested to <BR>my friend that 'we just take care of it'<BR><BR>THAT and the police officer did NOT write a report because my pal stated she <BR>was not too badly injured physically. I thought the cops filed reports on <BR>scene and the doctors and chiros figured out physical suffering. I would <BR>not leave a judgement like that to a beat cop. The bike is wrecked. Seems <BR>like the dollar value on the repair might warrant a report for any future <BR>claim.<BR><BR>Makes me wonder how many other incidents are going unfiled at the cop shop. <BR>If each call does not generate a report, then the numbers that researchers <BR>depend on >> incidents counted from police reports may be unrealistically <BR>LOW.<BR><BR>I do know that since our report was filed at least one lawyer used the <BR>report to solicit us to use his services.<BR><BR>Please hold good thoughts for our recovering pals. Each is sad that she <BR>cannot ride right now. Its specially bad since the clean air action days <BR>are upon us - and the bus - while a moderately viable alternative - takes <BR>twice as long.<BR><BR>Later,<BR>Z<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* <BR>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><ADDRESS>Mark J. Ginsberg</ADDRESS> <ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS> <ADDRESS>851 SW 6th Ave., Ste. 1600</ADDRESS> <ADDRESS>Portland OR 97204</ADDRESS> <ADDRESS>(503) 542-3000</ADDRESS> <ADDRESS>Fax (503) 248-6800 </ADDRESS> <ADDRESS><A href="mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com">markjgi-@yahoo.com</A></ADDRESS> <ADDRESS> </ADDRESS><p><hr SIZE=1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=10469/*http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com">Yahoo! SiteBuilder</a> - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --0-818973677-1059669483=:79875-- |
